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先秦兩漢 - Pre-Qin and Han

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儒家 - Confucianism

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新序 - Xin Xu

[Western Han (206 BC - 9)] Liu Xiang
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善謀

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7 善謀:
秦孝公欲用衛鞅之言,更為嚴刑峻法,易古三代之制度,恐大臣不從,於是召衛鞅,甘龍、杜摯三大夫御於君,慮世事之變計,正法之本,使民道。君曰:「代位不亡社稷,君之道也;錯法務明主,長臣之行也。今吾欲更法以教民,吾恐天下之議我也。」公孫鞅曰:「臣聞疑行無名,疑事無功,君前定變法之慮,行之無疑,殆無顧天下之議,且夫有高人之行者,固負非於世;有獨知之虞者,必見謷於民。語曰:『愚者晤成事,知者見未萌。』民不可與慮始,可與樂成功。郭偃之法曰:『論至德者,不和於俗;成大功者,不謀於眾。』法者所以愛民也,禮者所以便事也。是以聖人苟可以治國,不法其故;苟可以利民,不循其禮。」孝公曰:「善。」甘龍曰:「不然。臣聞聖人不易民而教,知者不變法而治。因民而教者,不勞而功成,據法而治者,吏習而民安之。今君變法不循故,更禮以教民,臣恐天下之議君,願君熟慮之。」

孔叢子 - Kongcongzi

[Eastern Han - Three Kingdoms (25 - 265)]
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陳士義

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10 陳士義:
子順相魏,改嬖寵之官以事賢才,奪無任之祿以賜有功。諸喪職秩者不悅,乃造謗言。文咨以告,且曰:「夫不害前政而有成,孰與變之而起謗哉。」子順曰:「民之不可與慮始久矣。古之善為政者,其初不能無謗。子產相鄭,三年而後謗止。吾先君之相魯,三月而後謗止。今吾為政日新,雖不能及聖賢,庸知謗止獨無時乎?」文咨曰:「子產之謗,嘗亦聞之。未識先君之謗何也?」子順曰:「先君初相魯。魯人謗誦曰:『麛裘而芾,投之無戾;芾之麛裘,投之無郵。』及三月政成化行,民又作誦曰:『袞衣章甫,實獲我所;章甫袞衣,惠我無私。』」文咨喜曰:「乃今知先生亦不異乎聖賢矣。」

法家 - Legalism

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商君書 - Shang Jun Shu

[Warring States (475 BC - 221 BC)]
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[Also known as: 《商子》, "The Book of Lord Shang"]

更法 - Reform of the Law

English translation: J. J. L. Duyvendak [?]
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3 更法:
公孫鞅曰:「臣聞之,『疑行無成,疑事無功,』君亟定變法之慮,殆無顧天下之議之也。且夫有高人之行者,固見負於世;有獨知之慮者,必見訾於民。語曰:『愚者闇於成事,知者見於未萌。民不可與慮始,而可與樂成。』郭偃之法曰:『論至德者,不和於俗;成大功者,不謀於眾。』法者,所以愛民也;禮者,所以便事也。是以聖人苟可以強國,不法其故;苟可以利民,不循其禮。」
Reform of the Law:
Gong sun Yang said: "I have heard it said that he who hesitates in action, does not accomplish anything, and that he who hesitates in affairs, gains no merit. Let Your Highness settle Your thoughts quickly about altering the laws and perhaps not heed the criticism of the empire. Moreover, he who conducts himself as an outstanding man is, as a matter of course, disapproved of by the world; he who has thoughts of independent knowledge is certainly despised by the world. The saying runs: 'The stupid do not even understand an affair when it has been completed, but the wise see it even before it has sprouted.' One cannot let the people share in the thoughts about the beginnings of an affair, but they should be allowed to share in the rejoicings over the completion of it. The law of Guo Yan says: 'He who is concerned about the highest virtue is not in harmony with popular ideas; he who accomplishes a great work, does not take counsel with the multitude.' The law is an expression of love for the people; rites are a means for making things run smoothly. Therefore a sage, if he is able to strengthen the state thereby, does not model himself on antiquity, and if he is able to benefit the people thereby, does not adhere to the established rites."

雜家 - Miscellaneous Schools

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呂氏春秋 - Lü Shi Chun Qiu

[Warring States] 247 BC-239 BC Lu Bu-wei
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[Also known as: 《呂覽》]

先識覽

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樂成

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2 樂成:
禹之決江水也,民聚瓦礫。事已成,功已立,為萬世利。禹之所見者遠也,而民莫之知,故民不可與慮化舉始,而可以樂成功。

史書 - Histories

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史記 - Shiji

[Western Han] 109 BC-91 BC Sima Qian
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[Also known as: "Records of the Grand Historian"]

列傳

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滑稽列傳

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25 滑稽列傳:
西門豹即發民鑿十二渠,引河水灌民田,田皆溉。當其時,民治渠少煩苦,不欲也。豹曰:「民可以樂成,不可與慮始。今父老子弟雖患苦我,然百歲後期令父老子孫思我言。」至今皆得水利,民人以給足富。十二渠經絕馳道,到漢之立,而長吏以為十二渠橋絕馳道,相比近,不可。欲合渠水,且至馳道合三渠為一橋。鄴民人父老不肯聽長吏,以為西門君所為也,賢君之法式不可更也。長吏終聽置之。故西門豹為鄴令,名聞天下,澤流後世,無絕已時,幾可謂非賢大夫哉!

漢代之後 - Post-Han

隋唐 - Sui-Tang

群書治要

[Tang] 631 Library Resources

卷十二

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史記下

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滑稽傳

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4 滑稽傳:
魏文侯時,西門豹為鄴令,鄴三老廷掾常歲賦斂百姓,收取其錢,得數百萬,用其舊無其字,補之二三十萬為河伯娶婦,與祝巫共分其餘錢,人家有好女者,持女逃亡,以故城中益空無舊無以故城中益空無七字,補之人,又困貧。俗曰:不為河伯娶婦,水來漂没,至為河伯娶婦,送女河上,豹往會之。曰:是女不好,煩大巫嫗舊無嫗字,補之入報,更求好女,後日送之,即使吏卒共抱大巫嫗舊無嫗字,補之投之河中,有頃。曰:巫嫗何久也。弟子趣之,復以弟子一人投河中,有頃。曰:弟子何久也。復使投之,凡投三弟子也。豹曰:巫嫗,弟子,女子也。不能白事,煩三老為入白之,復投三老。豹曰:巫嫗三老不來奈何,欲復使掾趣之,皆叩頭破額血流。豹曰:若皆舊無豹曰若皆四字,補之罷歸去,吏民大驚恐,從是已後,不敢言為河伯娶婦,豹發民鑿十二渠,引河水灌田,民煩苦不欲。豹曰:民可與樂成,不可與慮始,今雖患苦,然期令子孫思我,至今皆得水利,民人以給足,故豹為鄴令,澤流後世無絕已時。

宋明 - Song-Ming

太平御覽

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治道部五

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治政三

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12 治政三:
《孔叢子》曰:夫子適齊,晏子就其館。既燕而私焉,曰:「齊其危夫!譬若載無轄之車以臨千仞之谿,其不顛覆,亦難冀也。子吾心也,以齊為游息之館,當或可救。子幸不吾隱也。」夫子曰:「死病不可醫。夫政令者,人君之銜轡,所以制下也。今齊君失之已久也,子雖欲挾其辀而扶其輪,良弗及也。繹裉可以沒齊君及子身,過此而往,齊其田氏矣。」
又曰:定公問曰:「《周書》所謂『庸庸祗祗,畏畏顯民』,何謂也?」孔子曰:「不失其道,明之於民之謂也。夫能用可用,則政治矣;敬可敬,則尚賢矣;畏可畏,則省刑矣。人君審此三者,明以示民,而國不興,未之有也。」
又曰:哀公問:「《書》稱夔曰:『於!予擊石拊石,百獸率舞,庶尹允諧』,何謂也?」孔子對曰:「此言善政之化乎物也。古之帝王,功成作樂,其功善者樂和。樂和則天地且猶應之,況百獸乎?夔為帝舜樂正,實能以樂盡治理之情。」公曰:「然則政之大本,莫尚夔乎?」孔子曰:「夫樂所以歌其成功,非政之本也。眾官之長信既咸熙,然後樂乃和焉。」
又曰:孔子之衛,衛將軍文子問曰:「吾聞魯公父氏不能聽獄,信乎?」孔子答曰:「不知其不能也。夫公父氏之聽獄,有罪者懼,無罪者恥。」文子曰:「有罪者懼,聽之察刑之當也;無罪者恥,何恥乎?」孔子曰:「齊之以禮,則民恥矣;刑以止刑,則民懼矣。」文子曰:「今齊之以刑,刑猶弗勝,何禮之齊?」孔子曰:「以禮齊民,譬之於御,則轡也。刑以齊民,譬之於御,則鞭也。執轡于此而動于彼,御之良也。無轡而用策,則馬失道矣。」文子曰:「以御言之,左手執轡,右手運用,不亦速乎?若任轡無策,馬何懼哉?」子曰:「吾聞古之善御者,執轡如組,兩驂如舞,非策之助也。是以先王盛于禮而薄于刑,故民從命也。廢禮而尚刑,民彌暴矣。」
又曰:子思問於夫子曰:「伋聞夫子之詔,正俗化民之政莫善於禮樂也。管子任法以治齊,而天下稱仁焉。是法與禮樂異用而同功也。何必但禮樂哉?」子曰:「堯、舜之化,百世不輟,仁愛之風遠矣。管仲之智足以定法,材非管氏而專任法,終必亂成矣。」
又曰:孟軻問子思曰:「堯、舜、文、武之道,可力而致乎?」子思曰:「彼人也,我人也。稱其言,履其行,夜思之,晝行之,滋滋焉,汲汲焉,如農之趨時,商之趨利,惡有不致者乎?」
又曰:穆公問子思曰:「吾國可興乎?」子思曰:「可。」公曰:「為之奈何?」對曰:「茍君與大夫慕周公、伯禽之治,行其政化,開公家之惠,杜私門之利,結思百姓,修禮鄰國,其興也勃矣。」
又曰:衛君問子思曰:「寡人之政何如?」答曰:「無非。」君曰:「寡人不知其不肖,亦望其如此也。」子思曰:「希旨容媚則君親之,中正弼非則君疏之。夫能使人富貴貧賤者,君也。在朝之士,孰肯舍其所以見親而取其所以見疏乎?是故競求射君之心,而莫有非君之非者。此臣所謂無非也。」公曰:「然乎。寡人之過也,今知改矣。」答曰:「君弗能焉。口順而心不懌者,臨事必疣。君雖有命,臣未敢受也。」
又曰:信陵君問曰:「古之善為國,至于無訟,其道何由?」答曰:「由乎政善也。上下勤德而和,德無不化,俗無不和。眾之所譽,政之所是也;眾之所毀,政之所非也。毀譽是非與政相應,所以無訟也。」
又曰:子順相魏,改嬖寵之官以事賢才,奪其不任之祿以賜有功,諸喪職者不悅,造謗言。文咨以告,且曰:「夫不善前政而有成,孰與變之而起謗哉?」子順曰:「民之不可與慮始久矣。古之善為政者,其初不能無謗。子產相鄭,三年而後謗止。吾先君之相魯,三月而後謗止。今吾為政日新,雖不及聖賢,庸知謗止獨無時乎?」文咨曰:「子產之謗,嘗亦聞之。未識先君之謗何也?」子順曰:「先君初相魯,魯人頌曰:『麛裘而芾,投之無戾;芾而麛裘,投之無郵。』及三月政化既行,民又作頌曰:『袞衣章甫,實獲我所;章甫袞衣,惠我無私。」文咨喜曰:「乃今知先生不異乎聖賢矣。」
又曰:新桓固謂子順曰:「賢者所在,必興化致治。今子相魏,未聞異政而即自退其身者,志不得乎?何去之速也?」答曰:「以無異政,所以自退也。且死病無良醫。今秦有吞食天下之心,以義事之,故不獲安。救亡不暇,何化之興?昔伊摯在夏,呂望在商,而二國不治,豈伊、呂之不欲哉?勢不可也。」
又曰:尹曾謂子魯:「子之讀先王之書,將奚以為?」答曰:「為治世。世治則助之行道,世亂則獨治其身,治之至也。」
又曰:建初元年,大旱。天子憂之,問群臣政教得失。子豐乃上疏曰:「臣聞為不善而災報,得其應也;為善而災至,遭時運之會耳,非政所治也。昔成湯遭旱,因自責,省畋散積,減御損膳,而大有年。意者陛下未為成湯之事焉。」天子納其言。

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